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‘n Nuwe God-Verklaarde Manier om Verlore Siele in Suid-Afrika te Red

Posted by Thomas on June 22, 2009

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God het waarskynlik ‘n spiksplinternuwe fondament vir die redding van tien miljoen Suid-Afrikaners gelê en bekragtig. Hy het na bewering besluit dat die offerdood van sy Seun aan die kruis geheel en al onvoeldoende en ontoereikend is en het nou ‘n vrou, Elza Meyer, ‘n leier predikant by Moreletapark se NG Kerk, gekoöpteer om Christus by te staan in sy plaasvervangende lyding vir ons sondes aan die kruis. Elza se seun, Pieter, was instrumenteel om hierdie nuwe weg van saligheid teweeg te bring. Hier’s wat Elza op haar blog “Turn2God” geskryf het:

Tydens die Oos-Kaap konferensie was daar ’n aanval van die bose op my liggaam.  Ons kon nie die effek daarvan gebreek kry nie,  totdat ek laatnag my seun, Pieter,  gebel het en hom gevra het om vir my te bid. Hy het 10 miljoen siele,  gered en gedoop,  geëis in ruil vir die aanslag op my lewe. Dit het onmiddellik geëindig. Moreletapark Gemeente is deur die Here gelei om ’n nuwe doelwit vir die gemeente te formuleer nl. 10 miljoen siele binne 10 jaar.  Die oorhoofse doelwit is om 10 miljoen siele met die evangelie te bereik en hulle dissipels van Jesus te maak (Klem bygevoeg).

Hoe gaan hulle die Evangelie verkondig? Gaan hulle die verlore siele wat hulle vir Christus wil bereik, vertel dat Christus hulle wil red omdat Hy toegelaat het dat Elza Meyer ‘n hewige demoniese aanval op haar lewe oorleef? Nee . . .? Hoor ek miskien ‘n koor van Moreletapark se lidmate wat sing “Nee! ons gaan dit nie so doen nie”? Die ironie is dat hulle alreeds begin het om dit so te doen op Elza se blog “Turn2God.” Het hulle dan nog nooit gehoor van Paulus se waarskuwing in 1 Korinithiërs 3:11 nie?

1 Kor. 3:11 Want niemand kan ‘n ander fondament lê as wat daar gelê is nie, dit is Jesus Christus.

Jy’s volkome verkeerd, broer Paulus. Het jy nog nie gehoor van die spiksplinternuwe hoeksteen en fondament wat onlangs in die Moreletapark NG Kerk Gemeente gelê is nie? Nog nie . . .? Jy’s verspot. God gaan 10 miljoen verlore siele in die bestek van tien jaar in Suid-Afrika red (‘n miljoen per jaar) in ruil vir Elza Meyer se oorlewing van ‘n hewige demoniese aanval op haar lewe. Wat het jy gesê, Paulus? Het ek jou hoor sê ”Godslasterlik?” Nee, nee, nee, nee en nog ‘n nee, Paulus. Hoe durf jy sê dis godslasterlik. Jy’s te oudmodies. Ons leef in die verligte postmoderne dae en ons is besig om die Evangelie op baie ander maniere aan verlore siele in Suid-Afrika te verkondig. Ons Suid-Afrikaanse predikers is van die vindingrykstes ter wêreld . . . dink jy nie so nie, Paulus?

Ek is versot op die Woord van God en hou daarvan om waarhede wat ek nooit kon dink om dit daar te vind nie, op te diep. Ek was nogal verbaas om die volgende juweel in die Bybel te vind.

Lukas 16:8 . . . want die kinders van hierdie wêreld is verstandiger teenoor hulle geslag as die kinders van die lig.

Ag nee wat, broer Paulus! Jy probeer seker snaaks wees! Wel ek het so gedink totdat ek ‘n blog van ‘n ateïs gelees het wat in sy kommentaar op Elza Meyer se onbybelse eise die vraag vra: “Is skynvroomheid (huigelary) nie ‘n sonde nie?” Te midde van duisende vroue (en miskien net soveel mans wat onder die pantoffelregering by die Moreletapark Gemeente staan) wat sê hulle is Christene en Elza se nuwe manier om die Evangelie te verkondig met ontsag bejeen, en selfs ook ‘n nuwe doelwit vir die Moreletapark gemeente daargestel het, is daar ten minste een persoon, ‘n ongelowige, wat in die teenwoordigheid van gees behou het en dwarsdeur die hele skynvroomheid kon sien en vriendlik genoeg was om te waarsku teen die sonde van huigelary. U kan lees wat die woord “sanctimony” beteken, hier sien en glo my dis nie mooi nie, gladnie mooi nie.

Wat op aarde is besig om in ons geliefde land te gebeur? Elza Meyer sê ons moet “Terugkeer na God.” Stephan Joubert sê: “Nee, dis die verkeerde

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rigting. Christene is nie veronderstel om na die Bybel of na God toe terug te keer nie. Hulle moet vorentoe gaan na God toe en die pad vorentoe is om moedig te gaan  waar niemand nog voorheen gewaag het om te gaan nie.” Dit laat my nogal dink aan Buzz Lightyear in “Toy Story” wat gewaag het om te gaan na “eindeloosheid en nog verder” totdat hy besef het sy vlerke is vals. Dan is daar ook nog Jannie Pelser en Graham Power wat sê: “Nee! ons manier is die beste. Laat ons nuwe norme en waardes aan elke persoon in ons geliefde land Suid-Afrika uitdeel en alles sal net honkie-dorie wees.” Dink hulle werklik hulle sal tien miljoen verlore siele in Suid-Afrika kan bereik met hierdie soort kakefonie van leuens?

Dit lyk nie juis of Angus Buchan se optredes tot dusver by die Moreletapark NG Kerk enige blywende invloed op die predikante en die mans en vrouens in die gemeente gehad het nie. Waar oom Angus ookal preek, moedig hy die mans aan om hulle vrouens lief te hê en vermaan die vrouens om onderdanig te wees aan hulle mans. Watter tipe “mighty men” het oom Angus by sy “Mighty Men” Konferensies hand grootgemaak wat versuim om hulle vrouens te waarsku teen Elza Meyer se dwaalleringe, of is hulle ook maar onderdanig aan die pantoffelregering in die gemeente? Elza Meyer self is nie juis ‘n goeie voorbeeld vir die vrouens wat blykbaar die manspredikers en die hele gemeente met ‘n ysterhand regeer, en boonop nog die weg vir die hele gemeente aandui van hoe om in te koop op haar onbybelse eise vir die redding van 10 miljoen verlore siele in ruil vir haar wonderbaarlike oorlewing van ‘n hewige demoniese aanvaal op haar lewe. Is dit werklik moontlik dat nie ‘n enkele manspredikant of enige ander manlike lidmaat haar oor haar onbybelse en Godslasterlike leringe gewaarku het nie?

Daar is net ‘n enkele, aanvaarbare en voldoende fondament (eis) wat Christene aan God mag voorlê vir die redding van verlore siele, en raai wat . . .? . . . dit is nie Elza Meyer se oorlewing van ‘n hewige demoniese aanval op haar liggaam nie. Dis suiwer en eenvoudig net Godslasterlik en sy en haar seun, tesame met die hele Moreleta Gemeente behoort God om vergifnis te vra vir hulle afvalligheid en rebellie. Dit was Jesus Christus se eie verskeurde en bebloede liggaam, en syne alleen, wat versoening meegebring het tussen verlore sondaars en die Almagtge God. Jy vind dieselfde dwalinge in die Roomse Kerk. Padre Pio wat vir 45 jaar gereeld stgmata ervaar het, het daarop aanspraak gemaak dat meer geeste uit die dood hom in sy sel besoek het as lewende mense, en die ander monikke sê dat hulle ‘n menigte stemme wat met hom gepraat het, gehoor het. Vader Pio het beweer dat hierdie mense uit die vagwevuur op pad was na die hemel om vir hom dankie tê omdat hy namens hulle vir hulle sondes gely het om hulle uit die vagevuur te kry. Om die waarheid te sê, hy het as nuweling toe hy ‘n monnik geword het, die owerste toestemming gevra om vir die sondes van die wêreld te ly en dié het hom toe die toestemming verleen. Sy stigmata (wat niks anders as demoniese aanvalle was nie) was gewaand sy lyding. Christus se lyding was nie voldoende nie en hy moes dit dus aanvul of daarop verbeter.

Keer terug na God? Sekerlik! maar dan moet dit nie die manier wees waarop Elza Meyer en haar Hadassa sussies en “Mighty Men” die Suid-Afrikaners vir Christus wil wen nie. God sal nooit as’t nimmer sondige mense toelaat om vir verlore siele te bie op die basis wat Elza Meyer, haar seun en die hele Morelettapark Gemeente dit wil doen nie. Julle is mislei en julle is besig om ander te mislei. Hou op met julle nonsens!

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A New Divinely Decreed Way of Saving Lost Souls in South Africa

Posted by Thomas on June 22, 2009

View Elza Meyer's bargain with God

God has apparently authorized and lain a brand new foundation for the salvation of tens of millions of South Africans. He allegedly decided that the sacrificial death of his Son on the cross is inadequate and deficient and has now co-opted a woman, Elza Meyer, who is one of the leader pastors at the Moreleta Park Dutch Reformed Church, to assist Jesus Christ in His vicarious punishment for our sins on the cross. Elza’s son, Pieter, was instrumental in bringing about this new way of salvation. Here’s what Elza wrote on her blog “Turn2God.”

During the Eastern Cape conference demons attacked my body. We were unable to break the effect thereof until I phoned my son, Pieter, late that night asking him to pray for me. He claimed 10 million souls, saved and baptized in exchange for the attack on my life. It immediately stopped. The Moreleta Park congregation was led to formulate a new goal for the congregation, namely 10 million souls within ten years. The overriding aim is to reach 10 million souls with the Gospel and to make them disciples of Jesus Christ. (Emphasis added)

How are they going to proclaim the Gospel? Are they going to tell the lost souls they wish to reach for Christ that God wants to save them because He allowed Elza Meyer to survive a severe demonic attack on her life? No . . .? Do I here a choir of Moreleta Park congregants singing No! we are not going to do it that way”? The irony is that they have already begun to do it that way on Elza’s blog “Turn2God.” Have they never heard of Paul’s warning in 1 Corinthians 3:11?

1 Cor. 3: 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

You are dead wrong, brother Paul. Haven’t you heard of the brand new cornerstone and foundation that was lain in the Moreleta Park Dutch Reformed Church recently? No . . .? How silly of you. Well, God is going to save 10 million lost souls within ten years in South Africa (a million a year) in exchange for Elza Meyer’s survival of a very severe demonic attack on her body. What did you say Paul? Did I hear you say, “Blasphemy?” No, no, no, no and again no, Paul. How dare you call it blasphemy? You’re too old fashioned. We’re living in the enlightened postmodern days and we are re-inventing Christianity. We are finding new ways of presenting the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the one you received directly from Him. Elza’s way is just one of the many other ways the Gospel is being presented to lost souls in South Africa. Our South African pastors are some of the most resourceful in the world . . . don’t you think, Paul?

I just love to read the Word of God and to unearth truths that I would never have thought I’d find there. I was rather surprised to find the following gem in the Bible.

Luke 16:8 . . . for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.

Nah!, never brother Luke! You must be kidding! Well, I thought so until I read a blog where an atheist asks the question “Isn’t sanctimony a sin?” in his discussion of Elza Meyer’s unbiblical claim. While thousands of women (and perhaps just as many men who are under the petticoat government at Moreleta park congregation) who claim to be Christians are in awe of Elza’s new way of presenting the Gospel and have even set a new goal for the Moreleta Park congregation, there seems to be at least one person, an unbeliever, who has the presence of mind to see through the whole charade and is kind enough to sound a word of warning against the sin of sanctimony. You can read what the word “sanctimony” means right here and believe me its not pretty, not pretty at all.

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What on earth is going on in our beloved country? Elza Meyer says “Return to God.” Stephan Joubert says: “Nope” that’s the wrong direction. Christians are not supposed to return to the Bible or to God. They must advance and move forward to God, and the way forward is to boldly go where no man has gone before.” It kinda reminds me of Buzz Lightyear in “Toy Story” who ventured to go to infinity and beyond until he realized his wings were fake. Then there’s Jannie Pelser and Graham Power who say “No! our way is the best. Let’s hand out new norms and values (ethics) to every single person in our beloved South Africa and everything will  be just hunky-dory.” Do they actually think they are going to reach millions of lost souls in South Africa with this kind of cacophony of lies?

Angus Buchan’s appearances thus far at the Moreleta Park Dutch Reformed Church doesn’t seem to have had any lasting effect on the pastors, and the husbands and wives in their congregation. Wherever oom Angus preaches he admonishes the men to love their wives and the wives to submit themselves to their husbands. What kind of mighty men has oom Angus nurtured in the Moreleta Park congregation at his Mighty Men Conferences who do not warn their wives against Elza Meyer’s erroneous doctrines, or are they all in submission to their wives under a petticoat government? Elza Meyer herself isn’t much of a good example to the wives who seems to be governing the male pastors and the entire congregation with an iron fist, and leading the way for the entire congregation to buy into her unbiblical demand for the salvation of 10 million lost souls in exchange for her miraculous survival of a severe demonic attack on her life. Is it really true that not a single male pastor or other male congregant hasn’t warned her of her unbiblical teachings?

There is only one single, acceptable and efficient foundation (claim) Christians may present to the Lord for the salvation of lost souls, and guess what . . . . ? It is definitely not Elza Meyer’s survival of a severe demonic attack on her body. That’s pure and simple blasphemy and she and her son, as well as the entire Moreleta Park DRC congregation need to ask God’s forgiveness for their waywardness and rebellion. It was Jesus Christ’s own torn and blood-drenched body, and his alone, that brought about reconciliation between lost sinners and Almighty God. You find the same heresies being taught in Roman Catholicism. Padre Pio who regularly experienced stigmata for about 45 years, claimed that more spirits of the dead visited him in his cell in the monastery than living people, and the other monks said they heard multitudes of voices talking with him and he said that these people were coming from purgatory on their way to heaven thanking him for suffering for their sins to get them out of there. In fact, as a novice he asked the superior when he first became a monk, for permission to suffer for the sins of the world and he was granted permission. So, the stigmata (which was nothing else than demonic attacks) was supposedly his suffering. The suffering of Christ was not sufficient but he had to add to it.

Return to God? You bet, but not in the way Elza Meyer and her Hadassa sisters and Mighty Men are urging South Africans to do it. God will never allow sinful man to barter for lost souls on the basis Elza Meyer, her son and the entire Moreleta Park DRC  put forward to Almighty God. You’re deceived and you are deceiving others. Stop your nonsense!

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