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Die “armoedige Evangelie”

Posted by Thomas on September 20, 2009

Jy kan tot vervelens toe vir die Ontluikende broederskap herhaal dat dit die WAARHEID (suiwer leerstelling) is wat mense vrymaak en nie jou goeie dade aan die armes, behoeftges en “underdogs” nie en nog steeds sal hulle spog met hulle “nuwerwetse” maar “armoedige Evangelie” aan die armes en die stukkendes. In sy OPEBRIEF AAN DIE EMERGING MOVEMENT MENSE het Jaco Strydom ‘n hartroerende pleodooi gelewer dat die emerging church sy potensiaal moet gebruik “om die dokters, die siekes en die malles saam te laat dans.” Hy skryf voorts:

Daar is iets van God se hart wat `n mens nie kry in groot katedrale, roerende gebedsbyeenkomste, teksgetroue Bybelstudies, diep teologiese boeke en selfs in ure se stiltetyd nie – jy kry dit tussen straatkinders en vigspasiënte, in plakkerskampe en in hoerhuise.

Jesus het gesê: “Ek was honger en julle het my iets gegee om te eet, dors en julle het my iets gegee om te drink, ‘n vreemdeling en julle het my gehuisves…”. Dit is deel van God se plan dat die ware Jesus ontdek word tussen die armes, stukkendes en eensames. Mis jy die nood, dan mis jy God.

Insinueer jy dat daar niks van God se hart in rykmanswoonhuise, seilljagte, gholflandgoede, glanstydskrifte, Christian Dior en ander modehuise, en groot finasiële instansies is nie? Indien God se hart net vir die armes en die stukkendes klop dan kan Hy beslis nie sê dat daar by Hom geen aanneming van die persoon is nie. Dan lieg Hy. Die kernprobleem van die ganse mensdom is nie armoede of “stukkendheid” nie maar sonde wat ‘n geweldige skeiding tussen hulle en ‘n onmeetbaar heilige God meegebring het, en sonde is beslis universeel in armes en rykes teenwoordig. Jesus Christus, die Een wat massas mense met vyf brode en twee vissies gevoed het, was nie juis beïndruk gewees met die skares wat Hom gevolg het net omdat hy vir hulle iets gegee het om the eet nie. Trouens, Hy het maar alte goed geweet dat ‘n ongekwalifiseerde goed-doenerigheid aan die armes en behoeftiges ‘n struikelblok vir  die Evangelie kan wees. Daarom het Hy op ‘n dag toe die skares Hom so getrou gevolg het, omgedraai en vir hulle gesê:

Lukas 14:25-27 En groot menigtes het saam met Hom gegaan, en Hy het Hom omgedraai en vir hulle gesê: As iemand na My toe kom en hy haat nie sy vader en moeder en vrou en kinders en broers en susters, ja, selfs ook sy eie lewe nie, kan hy my dissipel nie wees nie. En elkeen wat sy kruis nie dra en agter My aan kom nie, kan my dissipel nie wees nie.

Jy kan soveel kospakkies aan die armes uitdeel as jy wil en die dokters, siekes en malles leer om saam te dans en te toy toy to(y)t jy blou is in die gesig; as jy jou nie verloën, jou kruis opneem en Jesus volg nie, sal en kan jy nooit in der ewigheid ‘n dissipel van Hom wees nie. Dit beteken ook dat jy moet ophou om suiwer leerstelling by die venster uit te gooi ter wille van ‘n self-opwenbare kommer oor die armes, behoeftiges en die stukkendes. As jy dan so intens aangedaan voel oor die welsyn van die armes, dan sal jy verplig voel om die Evangelie van verlossing aan hulle te verkondig sodat hulle waaragtig gered kan word. Ek sê dit omdat armoede dikwels veroorsaak word deur ouers wat hulle aan goedkoop drank vergryp en versuim om hulle kinders behoorlik te versorg. Gaan loer gerus maar ‘n slag by die Casinos en ander dobbelhuise in. Dit is niks anders nie as Satanskatedrale waarmee veral die regering miljoene rande verdien maar nie ‘n snars omgee oor die armes se lotgevalle nie (ja, glo dit as jy wil, dis gewoonlik die armes wat die Casinos gereeld besoek want hulle wil gou ryk word). Indien jy dan so begaan is oor die armes, maak jou stem dik teen die euwel van dobbelary in die land want dit het al talle mense se lewens verwoes. Ek weet want ekself het familie gehad wat deur hel gegaan het as gevolg van die euwel van dobbelary. Armoede is tog nie so ‘n vreeslike ding as jy dit in die krag van Jesus Christus verdra nie. Die gemeente van Smirna was so ‘n gemeente en luister ‘n beitjie wat het die Here Jesus van hulle gesê:

Openbaring 2: 9, 10 Ek ken jou werke en verdrukking en armoede maar jy is ryk en die lastering van die wat sê dat hulle Jode is en dit nie is nie, maar ‘n sinagoge van die Satan. Vrees vir niks wat jy sal ly nie. Kyk, die duiwel gaan sommige van julle in die gevangenis werp, sodat julle op die proef gestel kan word; en julle sal tien dae lank verdrukking hê. Wees getrou tot die dood toe, en Ek sal jou die kroon van die lewe gee.

In teenstelling hiermee het Hy die gemeente in Laodicië ernstig vermaan teen hulle gewaande gevoelens van selftevredenheid, grootdoenerigheid en hoogmoed. Hulle  het gedink hulle is ryk en kom aan niks kort nie, maar hulle was inderwaarheid arm en beklaenswaardig. So-ook dink vandag se Ontluikende Kerk dat hulle ryk is aan die vermoëns om van hierdie wêreld ‘n beter plek te maak, om die “plight of the poorest of the poor” op te skort en om die Koninkryk van God hier en nou in te bring, maar hulleself is blind, kortsigtig, arm en beklaenswaardig omdat hulle arm is aan gesonde leerstellings en die waarheid. Hoe anders dan, wanneer hulle die waarheid in hulle “geheilighde stildienste” en retraits versmaai en onder hulle voete vertrap.

Die Ontluikende Kerk spog voortdurend daarmee dat hulle die oplossing het vir die hedendaagse probleme in die gemeenskap; hulle is ryk aan nuwe idees, nuwe en voortrefflike maniere om die armes en stukkendes tegemoet te kom en te help, en selfs die dokters, siekes en malles saam te laat dans,  maar hulle is misrabel arm aan gesonde leerstelling omdat hulle die waarheid ter wille van hulle eie goeie werke onder die mat invee. Hulle het ‘n baie groter respek en waardering vir Moeder Theresa wat gesê het: “There is only one God and He is God to all; therefore it is important that everyone is seen as equal before God. I’ve always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Muslim become a better Muslim, a Catholic become a better Catholic” as vir Paulus wat die Evangelie regstreeks van die Here Jesus ontvang het en op ‘n kol gesê het: “Maar al sou ons of ‘n engel uit die hemel julle ‘n evangelie verkondig in stryd met die wat ons julle verkondig het, laat hom ‘n vervloeking wees!”

Ek wonder of hulle enigsins sal luister of gehoor gee aan Jesus se woorde in Markus 14:7

Want die armes het julle altyd by julle, en wanneer julle wil, kan julle aan hulle goed doen; maar My het julle nie altyd nie.

Die Amplified Bybel lui as volg:

For you always have the poor with you, and whenever you wish you can do good to them; but you will not always have Me

Jy staan onder geen verpligting om die armes en die  stukkendes te help nie, maar jy het beslis ‘n opdrag ontvang om die Evangelie van verlossing aan die armes en die rykes te verkondig. Daarom het Paulus gesê:

1 Kor 9:16 Want as ek die evangelie verkondig, is dit vir my geen roem nie; want die dwang is my opgelê, en wee my as ek die evangelie nie verkondig nie!

Pleks daarvan sê die Ontluikende broederskap:

Ons het maniere gevind om die dokters, die siekes en die malles te leer om saam te dans en te toy toy. Halleluja! As hulle klaar gedans het leer ons hulle om in stilte te mediteer sodat hulle in die teewoordigheid van God kan kom.

16 Responses to “Die “armoedige Evangelie””

  1. Magda Kopp said

    Wat se dit eintlik Amanda weg met die Bybel weg met die Kerk. Op E-kerk erken hy die gesag van die Woord. Verstaan die man glad nie.

    • Thomas said

      Om die gesag van die Bybel te erken, beteken om dit as die enigste, onfeilbare en onveranderlike Woord van God te aanvaar en om te glo dat dit die enigste boek is wat die verlossingweg deur die Enigste Verlosser, Jesus Christus, openbaar. Hoe kan Stephan Joubert dit as sodanig erken as hy glo dat daar waarhede in ander godsdienste is en met mense soos Rob Bell heul wat saam met die Dalai Lama op dieselfde verhoog verskyn om te besin oor hoe hulle “barmhartigheid” oor die hele wêreld kan versprei? Dis mos onmoontlik.

    • Amanda said

      Die emergents praat ‘n ander taal. Hulle gebruik bekende terme en vul dit met ‘n ander inhoud. Neem die Evangelie as voorbeeld. Die Bybel leer dat Jesus Christus die straf vir ons sonde, die oortreding van die Here se Wet, op Hom geneem het en aan ons Sy geregtigheid, sondeloosheid, skenk. Dit is die Goeie Nuus, prys Sy Naam!

      Daarteenoor kom die emergents met ‘n swetterjoel van evangelies en dit is alles slegte, slegte nuus. Hulle som die Evangelie op as ‘jy moet jou naaste liefhê soos jouself’. Slegte nuus. Daardie is die Wet wat ons in elk geval daagliks breek. Help! Stephan het self ‘n paar evangelies. Klink die volgende vir jou soos Goeie Nuus?

      Dit is die evangelie van Jesus Christus, dat jy jou
      vyande sal liefhê, anders wil ek nie ‘n Christen wees nie.

      Dit is nie die Goeie Nuus nie. Die ontluikendes praat ook in versluierde taal. Dit is eers wanneer hulle ten volle ontluik het, dat hulle reguit sê wat hulle bedoel. Hier is enkele grepe uit ‘n preek deur Shane Hipps en hy gebruik ook die Bybel, Joh1:1-5. Kortliks, hy sê godsdienste is soos verskillende seile, maar hulle almal vang die gees van god:

      So one of the things this shows us, just so that we are clear, for the Jewish imagination, the Hebrew way of thinking, wisdom was not just, you know, making good decisions or giving good advice. That is kinda how we use the word wisdom. We tend to minimise wisdom. For the Jews wisdom was the very DNA of God, the creative life force that gives birth to all things. That’s what wisdom is. Really, really profound stuff.

      However, at the same time that John was writing, there were a whole lot of Greek philosophers in religion and the Greek philosophers wrote extensively about this universal animating life force called the Logos.

      John is the ultimate unifier integrator of two religious systems that have nothing in common. The Jews and the Greeks. Nothing in common. Nothing at all in common. Didn’t even use the same language most of the time. So, here John comes along and says hey, to the Jews, you know that thing that you are talking about, that wisdom, that beautiful wisdom that you talk about, yeah that, right, you know that, and to the Greeks he is saying, hey, you know that Logos, that mysterious, beautiful thing with light and fire and life, that, yeah right, that, both of those things, wisdom and logos, they are actually one thing. And they found full and complete expression in the person Jesus.

      So here is what is so stunning. At a time when it was unthinkable to try and unify religions, John is basically saying your religion, totally valid, I love it. I am even using your language. And your religion, I love it. It is beautiful. I am even using your language, but I just want you both to know that there is something bigger than what you’ve got.

      There is something that transcends what you have. It doesn’t nullify what you have. It doesn’t get rid of what you have. It just moves beyond that. So John does this unbelievably beautiful thin of basically saying I wanna get past the religious divisions among us in our world. I don’t wanna get passed it. Jesus comes to bring us past it.

      Jesus is the ultimate unifier of these various, diverse ways of looking at the world and the only way that anybody can ever see that is by looking at the interior not the exterior.

      A black man and a white woman look very different on the exterior, do they not? They look very different from the outside. But on the inside, same longings, same needs, same need for love, for significance, for peace, same need for food. Very little separates us on the inside. Now this is really very easy to talk about when you are talking about people, isn’t it? Yes, people look different on the outside, but on the inside, we are all the same. That’s not what John is doing. He is doing it with religions. Mennonites and Muslims, they are basically the same.

      ‘No, no, no. no, no, no. We’re very different. I beg to differ.’

      Right? I mean, when you try and do this with religious systems, you’re playing with very dangerous stuff. Because a religious system, what makes a religion a religion, is the thing that makes it different from other religions. A religious identity is derived from what makes it distinct. A religious identity is derived from our boundaries. We sing music this way. That’s what makes us different.

      We belief Jesus did this and so we follow Jesus that way. That is what makes us different. You don’t even believe in Jesus. We’re different from you in that way. Even religions that have come along and said our religions beliefs, there are no distinctions between religions, is in fact a distinction. So these external things, religion is about making these distinctions and guess what, that isn’t a bad thing. Having a distinct religious identity marked by some boundaries, knowing how you differ from other religions, isn’t a problem. John isn’t trying to get off that. He is trying to point beyond it.

      Keep it, but move beyond it. To loose your religious identity is like losing a sail at sea. The sail is like religion. The wind is the spirit. You need a sail to catch the wind, to harness the wind. But you have got to realise that that sail isn’t the wind. The sail is actually dependent on the wind. See here is the crazy thing. The spirit, the wind, doesn’t need sails in order for it to move about the world. The sails need the wind. So the spirit, in order for it to move and operate in the world have no need of religion, but we, those of us, made the way we are, for some reason, need sails in order to catch the wind. We need religious structures, external things, that we can touch and se and traditions and lineage that teach us so that we can better catch the wind.

      Now some sails are built better than other sails. Some sails are bigger than other sails. Some sails are a different shape than other sails. And those differences matter and sometimes one sail is better than another sail, in the same way that some religions are better equipped to catch the spirit of God. Some religions are not as well equipped to fully capture and be compelled by the spirit. So it matters why that religion, why you chose it. It matters what it looks like. But don’t ever confuse the sail with the spirit, the sail with the wind.

      Here is what is so confusing about this. John comes along and he says hey, both of you guys, you’ve got great sails. They look awesome. I just want you to know it is the wind that I’m interested in. He says Jesus became the fullness of that wind. So along comes us and we create a sail around that person! We go, now we’ve got it. Whoo-oo! It is just another sail. Just because we claim Jesus as the centre of our religion, does not make us one and the same with the wind of God just because we have another sail. I happen to think it is a more effective sail than other sails.

      This logos affects everybody, including Osama bin Ladin, as long as he has got breath. In him is a spark of the divine.

      My great hope is that this [communion] will propel you beyond these elements into the very presence of God.

      Die ontluikendes sê ons mag ons eie ‘geloofstradisie’ behou, maar ons moet net bereid wees ‘to move beyond it’. Chris Rosebrough het twee van Shane se preke op Fighting for the Faith onder die loep geneem. Die tweede preek gaan oor enlightenment, ook uit die Evangelie van Johannes! Hier is enkele van Chris Rosebrough se kommentaar oor die seile preek:

      This is just an absolute satanic pack of lies, absolutely false.
      Did I mention that Shane Hipps and Rob Bell are really good friends?
      This is rank heresy!
      I cannot believe what I am hearing!
      It is called idolatery. It is called heresy. It is called apostasy.
      You are sending yourself and the people listening to you to hell.
      That is just rank heresy. This is pantheism This is not Christianity.

      Chris vertel oor ‘n telefoongesprek wat hy met Shane gehad het:

      Like I said earlier, I have had two conversations on the phone with Shane Hipps. Basically encouraging him to come on the program. And explain his theology. Well, but he, let’s just say he was not very eager to do so. But in the course of my conversation I have come to find out that he believes the reason why Jesus came was to awaken us to the breath of God that is within us, awaken us to the spark of the divine that is within us. Does that sound pantheistic to you? It should. And that ’s not the Biblical Gospel, nor is that Biblical salvation.

      Gaan luister gerus, Magda. Chris verwys ook na vorige programme:

      Shane Hipps’ Sermon at Rob Bell’s Mars Hill Bible Church on the Spiritual Discipline of Silence

      Shane Hipps was ook ‘n spreker by PPP:

      What on Earth Was Being Taught at Rob Bell’s Poets, Prophets, Preachers Conference?

  2. Amanda said

    Rob Bell, van wie Stephan Joubert getuig dat hy so ‘n groot Christen is, doen dit weer:

    Q: What does it mean to you to be an evangelical?
    A: I take issue with the word to a certain degree, so I make a distinction between a capital ‘E’ and a small ‘e.’ I was in the Caribbean in 2004, watching the election returns with a group of friends, and when Fox News, in a state of delirious joy, announced that evangelicals had helped sway the election, I realized, this word has really been hijacked. I find the word troubling, because it has come in America to mean politically to the right, almost, at times, anti-intellectual. For many, the word has nothing to do with a spiritual context.

    Q: OK, how would you describe what it is that you believe?
    A: I embrace the term evangelical, if by that we mean a belief that we together can actually work for change in the world, caring for the environment, extending to the poor generosity and kindness, a hopeful outlook. That’s a beautiful sort of thing.

    Q: Is religion a part of that?
    A: At the heart of the Christian story is resurrection, the belief that this word is good, and that, as a follower of Jesus, a belief that God hasn’t abandoned the world, but is actively at work in the world. Even in the midst of what can look like despair and destruction there is a new creation present.

    Kul jou hier, kul jou daar en siedaar!

    Is dit waarvoor Christene oor die eeue gemartel is? Ek glo nie!

  3. Magda Kopp said

    Hierdie mense is so deurmekaar ek lees nerens iets positief iets oor die Goeie Nuus nie. Hulle het beslis hulle eie agenda. Ek het geluister na Ravi Zacharias wat in gesprek was met nog twee persone oor post modernism. Ravia het gese Brian McClaren moet ek quote ” Is Brian McClaren bored with God “. Hy noem sy boek The Secret of Jesus en hy se na 2000 jaar kom Brian McClaren en ewe skielik ontdek hy the secrets of Jesus. Ons kan net vir hierdie mense bid en vra dat die Hemelse Vader hulle van geestelike blindheid sal genees. Baie dankie Amanda.

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